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Uliwooly

To Sony Moderators and Community Manager(s)

There are multiple threads and posts with the same questions and this will NOT going to stop until Sony release a full official statement on this,

What does "We will however, continue to support all these products with firmware maintenance releases"? will this fix the bugs?
Who is in charge of approving the SIM Free updates per country?
Who approve last Sony or a Carrier in the case that it's locked to a carrier?
Did Sony received a Jelly Bean PDK?
Will Sony fulfill or break the "AT LEAST" 18months software updates commitment/agreement at Google I/O 2011?
How come the 2012 Xperias with the same or lower hardware specs, compared to the 2011 Xperias, run ICS smooth w/o all the 2011 lag/crashing issues?
On the same subject as 5. Is sony going to fix all this issues and release an update to the 2011 Xperias w/o bugs?
On the subject as 4. Will the Xperia Arc, Play, Neo and Pro will no longer be supported at the end of August? as it will be 18months since they were released
Will the Current Xperia S be overclocked like the Xperia SL as this "new" xperia S will have the same hardware as the current Xperia S just overclocked CPU?
Will Sony improve the Camera/Picture/Video quality? is this a hardware or software limitation? there are some users experiencing focus issues with the Xperia S, is this a hardware issue that must be recalled?

Yes, it might be Complex, yes it might be hard to answer but if Sony Developer were able to post a thread on how we get an update starting from the source code to the final product (just before approvals) I think this can be done, it'll be like a second part to From Source Code to upgrade release.

Also if you have another question feel free to post it and I'll add it to this top of this thread, try to make general questions not specific (i.e. when is my SI number will be approved/posted/etc, instead something like, who can we contact to find out if our carrier it's going to release or not the update?)

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I always support for you uliwooly.

Uliwooly

Why is this consider Spam or personal attack?

we all want to know Sony's jelly bean plans, so far not only Sony but other OEM haven't said anything about Jelly Bean update plans. did you checked the other link

Jelly Bean

http://talk.sonymobile.com/message/243687#243687

it seems that there's another issue, I'm not supposed to post this anymore or at least that's a debate

my question is why? I've being accused of Spamming, personal attack

Jelly Bean

http://talk.sonymobile.com/message/243687#243687

We are NOT ignorant

I think Aimee forgot that the android update alliance is to address fragmentation not just minor updates or patches

http://talk.sonymobile.com/message/247709#247709

Aimee

1,417 posts since

Sep 20, 2010

7. Jul 16, 2012 11:57 AM (in response to uliwooly)

Re: Are we going to have the jeely bean update ?

Hi,

18 months of updates does not necessarily refer to Android version updates. This also includes performance enhancing updates on the Android version the handset is already running on.

Our developers will test the handsets on the new versions of Android which Google release and confirm whether the user experience is stable enough to provide an update.

Until we have confirmation regarding this, we would be unable to confirm which units will be able to run this version.

Just like she did before

http://talk.sonymobile.com/message/123707#123707

Aimee

1,417 posts since

Sep 20, 2010

1. Nov 8, 2011 10:47 AM (in response to taufikyoungest)

Re: take a look n think again...bout x8 android 2.1!!!!

As the hardware of the X8 handset does not meet Google's requirements for the higher Android OS versions, unfortunately it would not be possible for us to update this model.

http://talk.sonymobile.com/message/121814#121814

you said that

Aimee

1,417 posts since

Sep 20, 2010

8. Nov 16, 2011 5:34 AM (in response to uliwooly-wooly)

Re: The real reason X8, x10 mini/pro, w8 won't get an update?

The official statement does mention the RAM but it also mentions the following reason:

The upgrade of Xperia^TM X10 also was made possible due to that we had a code base that mostly could be reused. For the mini’s, who have a different user interface, this possibility did not exist.

I am only able to provide you with the same information I have been provided with myself.

BUT the fact is that Android doesn't have a minimum hardware requirement. I've been waiting for you or someone from Sony to reply to that thread and still no answer.

first of all

it is NOT a personal attack, I'm pointing out FACTS

second those aren't logical fallacies, neither Ad hominem, nor bandwagoning, nor non-sequitur, etc, those are facts.

how can it be a spam if?

1) if a sony moderator gives the same answer to a user asking about Jelly Bean, I should be able to post the same answer pointing out facts, since rules apply to ALL.

2) if the thread it's deleted then I agree that will stop sony moderators to post the same answer and myself of posting the same answer.

Uliwooly

http://talk.sonymobile.com/message/193802#193802

HTC released an ICS based Droid running single core 600 MHz AND here SONY is blaming ARC S Hardware!!

Thanx Auni

Uliwooly

Do you think my posts are "speculative guesswork"?

http://talk.sonymobile.com/message/254125#254125

uliwooly

23,908 posts since

Jul 3, 2010

Jul 25, 2012 1:27 AM (in response to Markus)

Re: If Google Nexus S will receive JB, why Xperia 2011 can't?

All the 2011 Xperias and even the X10 can handle ICS and Jelly Bean w/o lag and bugs

http://talk.sonymobile.com/message/193802#193802

HTC released an ICS based Droid running single core 600 MHz AND here SONY is blaming ARC S Hardware!!

Thanx Auni

then I got a reply

EskeRahn

3,243 posts since

May 5, 2011

Jul 25, 2012 2:08 AM (in response to uliwooly)

Re: If Google Nexus S will receive JB, why Xperia 2011 can't?

As we know nothing on what the differences in hardware really is, this is pure guesswork. You might be absolutely right, sure, or you might be terribly wrong. But we have no way of telling, so why keep on repeating the theory?

Even though the clock frequency, and component types are known, we know absolutely nothing on what 'hard wired' (and/or microcoded) stuff that may or may not cause complications.

Sure it might be the simplest thing in the world to make the needed driver. or it might be terribly complex. We do not know, and any conclusions drawn are thus pure speculative guesswork.

uliwooly

23,908 posts since

Jul 3, 2010

Jul 25, 2012 8:21 AM (in response to EskeRahn)

Re: If Google Nexus S will receive JB, why Xperia 2011 can't?

I don't understand why every time I post something where Sony look really bad, you go and say that it's not certain but speculative guesswork, just do some research online, perhaps google it, but don't say that my or other user's perspective or if they are facts are nothing but speculative guesswork, if you do NOT know how can you say that what I'm saying it's guesswork?

I can say something similar that your posts are nothing but dogmatic bias speculative logical fallacies. to each it's own but do NOT say that what I type is speculative guesswork if you haven't done your research first

session

Xperia Blog says its official that 2011 xperia lineup will not get JellyBean 4.1 update.

Source:

http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/07/26/official-2011-sony-xperia-handsets-will-not-get-android-4-1-jel...

Uliwooly

it seems that you/ EskeRahn have been posting on different threads, users on this thread MUST know what's going on, they need to know all this. it is RELEVANT on that thread so the user know, and this, so other users KNOW

no it is NOT the same, the facts that not only I but other users had presented are that similar or even EQUAL hardware can handle and run ICS and JB w/o any problems, but you say that there might be something different, that's speculative guess since you do not know if there are any differences at all, you do NOT have any proof that the hardware is different, only your assumption which is a LOGICAL FALLACY. Do you have any proof that our arguments, facts etc are not true? no you don't, only your opinion.

I don't know about your country, but I have freedom of speech and I plan to use it, I'm not lying nor claiminig something that it's not true, check the FACTS BELLOW, do you have any tangible proof saying that those facts are not true?

1) Xperia Neo L has the same hardware as the Neo and Neo V, yet it runs ICS quite smooth, can you deny or refute that?

2) Xperia Miro & Tipo can run ICS smooth w/o lag, can you deny that? this phones have lower hardware specs than the 2011 Xperias? can you deny that w/ facts not opinions?

3) There are myriad phones from other brands that have the same and lower specs than the 2011 Xperias and run ICS w/o any lags, can you deny this?

I can and will keep going, in the mean time post FACTS and PROOFs

where is my proof, check the other threads where we've posted the facts, links, etc, we = chardeen, auni, I, etc

In reply to Eskerahn

EskeRahn

3,271 posts since

May 5, 2011

8. Jul 25, 2012 2:00 PM (in response to uliwooly)

Re: If Google Nexus S will receive JB, why Xperia 2011 can't?

How could it be called anything but "speculative guesswork"?

It is a bit like if you claimed aliens from outer space was behind the murders of the Kennedys, and then require me to disprove it to falsify your statement...

If you accuse someone, then you have to provide the proofs. It is normal practise in the civilized world to let any doubt be in favour of the accused.

So you have to prove that any differences in the hardware design and/or microcode is insignificant for the upgrades. I'm not to prove that they are significant.

But remember. I'm not saying that you are wrong - I do not know - but I wish you would stop the accusations unless/until you can back them with proofs.

Uliwooly

to all Xperia users, don't allow anyone discredit the facts. We deserve to be treaded with respect as valued customers

SignedAdam

I agree, with respect! are hardware can run jelly bean and ICS, dont let Sony tell you other

Uliwooly

We've posted proof that there are phones with the same or lower hardware specs and they can run ICS and will get Jelly Bean, but for some reason that PROOF it's being mocked as saying that alien exists, but that moderator can claim whatever he wants and that it's ok, that's consider proof, that's double standard and full of LOGICAL FALLACIES.

his alien comment it's a Appeal to the Extreme logical fallacy.

Appeals to the Extreme attempt to bring highly emotional elements into an argument in an attempt to exaggerate it to the point of absurdity. The difference between Appeals to the Extreme and the Slippery Slope is that an appeal to the extreme does not necessary attempt to show a causal relationship between the first step and the last.

Example: "Oh and if you're gonna repossess my car, why don't you just take my house, or how about one of my legs and an arm too!?!"

also he likes to use this, or in this case after he ridicule my claim he use

argumentum ad ignorantiam

Description: An attempt to use an opponent's inability to disprove a position as proof that the position is, indeed, true.

Uliwooly

Thanx Xperiablog.net

http://talk.sonymobile.com/message/254981#254981

John Cooper, UK Product Manager for Sony Mobile, has been taking questions from customers on Facebook and, perhaps inadvertently, revealed that both the Sony Ericsson Xperia arc S and Xperia mini pro will not receive the Android 4.1 Jelly Bean update.

We have been waiting for Sony to make an official statement on their Jelly Bean upgrade plans and this is the first concrete news we have on the matter. The Xperia arc S was the highest specced 2011 Sony Xperia handset, so if this handset isn’t getting it we can conclude that none of the other Xperia handsets from the 2011 range will get the update either. However, the 2012 Xperia range do look likely to get the update, although timing remains an unknown right now.

http://www.xperiablog.net/2012/07/26/official-2011-sony-xperia-handsets-will-not-get-android-4-1-jel...