topic Re: ATRAC3 & ATRAC3plus? in PCs & Accessories

ATRAC3 & ATRAC3plus?

sarpal — Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:26:54 GMT

Hi, first post!
Just got my vaio pocket - awsome! What is the difference between ATRAC3 & ATRAC3plus? Which shoud I use? The default is ATRAC3 but I get the impression that 'plus' is preferable, is this true?

Thanks

Re: ATRAC3 & ATRAC3plus?

seb21__ — Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:38:43 GMT

Nope,

Atrac3+ has only a higher compression, the quality isn't better.
It's better you use Atrac3 with 132kBit/s.

Atrac3+ with 256kBit/s is waste.

But you can compare both Codecs with the Sound from a good Tape Deck. Without rush but with acoustic artifacts.

Re: ATRAC3 & ATRAC3plus?

MadarbWoT — Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:44:07 GMT

its basicly all the same....
actually when sony forces you to use atrac it doesnt make much of a difference!

Re: ATRAC3 & ATRAC3plus?

sarpal — Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:48:24 GMT

Thanks both for the prompt replies. I'll just leave it at the default

Re: ATRAC3 & ATRAC3plus?

MadarbWoT — Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:52:26 GMT

by all means do not usebitrate at 48kbps if that is the default...

it is totally crap,you wont hear anything,as it is programmed to just compress higly and not provide good quality

Re: ATRAC3 & ATRAC3plus?

seb21__ — Tue, 15 Mar 2005 20:59:23 GMT

Yeah, and never forget :

132kBit/s isn't CD quality. Atrac3 is a lossy Codec and CD quality is physically impossible with Atrac3. (the same with all other lossy Codecs)

Re: ATRAC3 & ATRAC3plus?

DiabloVaio — Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:00:58 GMT

The point in having a DAP (for example VP) with a huge HDD (for example 40GB), is that you can have bigger/more files on your device.
So, if I wanted to use 48 Kbps, I would buy a 512MB flash player instead, cheaper and more portable!
BUT I WANT QUALITY! There are lots of DAPs out there supporting lossless codecs. I know for example OGG files will be huge (compare to MP3 or ATRAC) but who cares when I have 40 GB to waste? I'm really looking forward to a firmware upgrade which enables lossless codecs! Thanks god that there are open source codecs out there! C'mon SONY, stop dissappointing us!
VIVA OPEN SOURCE

Re: ATRAC3 & ATRAC3plus?

seb21__ — Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:15:15 GMT

Mmh, it gives some Players they support Ogg-files but not the VP.
But I think MPC is a good alternative for a lossless Codec. (If you have not enough GB, like me too). But MPC has no hardware support.

(LOL, that Avatar, remember on a VAIOmaster)

Re: ATRAC3 & ATRAC3plus?

DiabloVaio — Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:19:48 GMT

Mmh, it gives some Players they support Ogg-files but not the VP.
But I think MPC is a good alternative for a lossless Codec. (If you have not enough GB, like me too). But MPC has no hardware support.

(LOL, that Avatar remembered me on a VAIOmaster)

What I meant was actually I really like my VP playing lossless music! and because OGG is open source, it would be much easier to write a firmware for that!

Re: ATRAC3 & ATRAC3plus?

seb21__ — Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:27:03 GMT

Yep, I totally agree.
But I don't understand why Sony is so narrow-minded.(Borniert in german, don't know wheter this is the correct translation)

Re: ATRAC3 & ATRAC3plus?

DiabloVaio — Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:40:09 GMT

Yep, I totally agree.
But I don't understand why Sony is so narrow-minded.(Borniert in german, don't know wheter this is the correct translation)

It's not just perfect english, but it's perfectly correct as well! ( I mean SONY Software writers are stupids )
VP is like a Lamborghini Diablo, but with speed limit of 60 Mph! and sure is not yellow as well

Re: ATRAC3 & ATRAC3plus?

seb21__ — Tue, 15 Mar 2005 22:47:42 GMT

VP is like a Lamborghini Diablo, but with speed limit of 60 Mph! and sure is not yellow as well

I like this comparison, because it's true:smileycool: