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SACD 'False' message

shavaugh — Fri, 27 Dec 2013 11:39:22 GMT

I have a collection of rare SACD discs which have cost me a pretty penny over the years. Needless to say, I would hate to lose or damage them so I openly admit to making copies of the discs to play whilst keeping the original discs safe on the shelf. But since a recent firmware update on my BDP-S590 Blu Ray player I now get a 'False' reading in the LCD display. Does this mean Sony have implemented some DRM that stops me from playing copied disc?

Re: SACD 'False' message

jumpsuit — Fri, 27 Dec 2013 11:52:22 GMT

Hi there and welcome to the Community

I'm not an expert in TV / Blu ray players etc but yes your model does have Cinavia

protection.

From wikipedia:

"Cinavia works to prevent copying via the detection of a watermark recorded into the analog audio of media such as theatrical films and Blu-ray discs. Note that the intent is to prevent all copying, both pirate copies and legal copies of one's own content, for example, for format shifting."

Re: SACD 'False' message

Batfinkk — Fri, 27 Dec 2013 16:29:20 GMT

I don't think Cinavia is part of the SACD standard as the wiki refers only to Blu-ray and I'd never heard of it being shifted to other formats. Assuming these discs are a few years old, Cinavia relies on watermarking as part of the actual disc image, so likely these discs were produced prior to it being rolled out to Blu-ray anyway. So very unlikely this is Cinavia in my opinion.

[Edited by Nadine1325 to remove links relating to piracy]

Re: SACD 'False' message

jumpsuit — Fri, 27 Dec 2013 13:16:17 GMT

Cheers for the input.

If its not some sort of protection I'm wondering if its an error of some sort?

Someone posted a similar problem in the USA forum but no-one posted a solution.

I can't find a reference to 'false' in the manual for your player either.

Re: SACD 'False' message

shavaugh — Fri, 27 Dec 2013 13:20:48 GMT

Thanks for replying and confirmed my worst fears. I understand why DRM is essential in some ways but this is not going to work for me. Wish I'd known about this before I updated. I will have to find an alternative player as I won't be buying Sony again.

Re: SACD 'False' message

Anonymous — Fri, 27 Dec 2013 13:42:43 GMT

HI there

Before you give up, have you tested the original SACD's - because if they dont work either, you may want to contact Sony directly and report a fault (possibly a firmware fault) as the specs say that SACD is supported. If they work, and the burnt ones dont, try doing a direct bit-for-bit copy of the disc.

BTW, making copies for your own use is perfect fine

Cheers

Re: SACD 'False' message

shavaugh — Fri, 27 Dec 2013 14:08:25 GMT

Hi Quinnicus

I chose 3 of my original SACD discs at random and they play fine. So it must have been something in the firmware update that's stopping the copied ones playing. I appreciate the feedback and advice.

Regards

Shaun

Re: SACD 'False' message

Anonymous — Fri, 27 Dec 2013 14:17:02 GMT

Thats ok, I thought it might be worth a shot anyhow.

Re: SACD 'False' message

jumpsuit — Fri, 27 Dec 2013 14:23:22 GMT

D'oh the clue was in the question lol.

Firmware updates can sometimes be 'tempremental'

Re: SACD 'False' message

Anonymous — Fri, 27 Dec 2013 14:30:53 GMT

yeah, was wondering if the FW update also disabled all SACD play-back.

One of the features that is needed (and requested) is to roll-back FW updates - especially for if/when it goes wrong. But I dont see this being implemented unfortunately.

Re: SACD 'False' message

jumpsuit — Fri, 27 Dec 2013 15:42:44 GMT

Yeah - would certainly help alot

Re: SACD 'False' message

shavaugh — Fri, 03 Jan 2014 23:48:19 GMT

Spent a few hours on the net looking for a solution and I have come across a forum which gave links to a way of reflashing with the original BDP-S590 firmware. It would appear that some folk have had success with it. If I went ahead my fear would be that I may void my 3 year warranty and maybe brick the unit.

Re: SACD 'False' message

Anonymous — Sat, 04 Jan 2014 00:21:21 GMT

Hi there

Just giving it to you straight here:

Anything modifications you do, that is not officially sanctioned or authorised by Sony, will void your warranty unfortunately.

Found this explaination of copy protection in SACD on Wikipedia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Audio_CD#Copy_protection

If others are having the same problem, also with the same firmware, then that is the likely change. Unfortunately you probably will not get much support on this from Sony, purely due to the fact that the original SACD's work.

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On a personal note, I can fully understand your frustrations, especially as you have already purchased the SACD's and want to keep the original's in pristine condition. I dont see the harm in making copies for your own personal use - but unfortuately we also live in a world of "give and inch, take a mile"

Cheers