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Uncustomized Android 2.2

Mon, 27 Sep 2010 01:56:15 GMT

Google CEO have requested android devices manufacturers to provide their customers an option to download and use uncustomized version of Android in their devices. Dear SE, since your software development team cant customize android and provide us an update, please consider his request as a solution. One more point. I, and most customers of yours, doesn't like or use timescape or UI you think are the most wonderful aspect of your device. I use Live Home & ADW as UI and separate clients for twitter and facebook.So Please stop spending time on these crap pieces of softwares and provide us a fresh unvandalized Android. Please.

Re: Uncustomized Android 2.2

Mon, 27 Sep 2010 05:19:21 GMT

Completely agree with Google's CEO. That would be a fantastic solution to everyone's problems. Give us more options SE! Let us choose whether we want vanilla android or android with your sh*tscape UI on OUR phones.

Re: Uncustomized Android 2.2

Er_Kannan — Mon, 27 Sep 2010 08:39:45 GMT

The update may be available by the end of next month (Android 2.1).

Re: Uncustomized Android 2.2

Mon, 27 Sep 2010 14:25:11 GMT

Yup, I use dxtop pro as my homescreen, I don't even turn back to SE homescreen.

For timescape, it's visually appealing but please add

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Re: Uncustomized Android 2.2

Mon, 27 Sep 2010 15:45:29 GMT

I totally agree with G CEO! Give us 2.2 SE! come oooon!!!

Re: Uncustomized Android 2.2

Mon, 27 Sep 2010 16:11:05 GMT

I like the idea requested by Google's CEO but can't see it ever happening because the Android market has so many varied phone types all at different levels of firmware or software states. SE being at 1.6 and moving (soon we hope) to 2.1 customise their versions with things like timescape and moxier applications, so a generic open version being made available won't happen to Android. I guess you know you can remove timescape from the home screen like any other app by long press and drag to the bin at the bottom. If you use' Startup Auditor' (the free version) you can suppress up to 5 app from starting up and using memory, so timescape and moxier can be stopped, it works on mine ok, they never start or not that I am aware of. It would be better if SE gave us the actual option of what to install when we update, just like you can with your computer software. When you use Update Service and there are updates, you click a next option and then tick boxes for things you want to have like moxier, timescape etc, then install. This way people that want and use these things can have them and those of us that don't, do not have them forced upon us. If you buy a laptop for £400 and there is software on it that you don't want or use you can remove it, so why are mobiles different, Do the x10 people that have fully generic phones have things like moxier forced upon them.

Re: Uncustomized Android 2.2

Mon, 27 Sep 2010 16:12:36 GMT

I dn't agree with your "mst users don't use Tmscap" talk, but I wod concur to a raw version of 2.2 for SE X10.

Re: Uncustomized Android 2.2

Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:45:51 GMT

I think most users do use Timescape

Would I like a vanilla version of Android? Only if Sony made camera drivers etc available to all which they would have no real compulsion to do.

Would I sacrifice the functionality that SE (will hopefully) bring to us with the 2.1 update for what is a minor upgrade to 2.2? The answer is a very definite NO.

The UI is easily customiseable. I run ADW which gives me loads of freedom. The skin I run gives me the Samsung apps drawer launcher and five screens to fit everything I want quick access to

So whilst it may be nice to have 2.2 I don't see it as worth losing any sleep over

Re: Uncustomized Android 2.2

Mon, 27 Sep 2010 18:07:35 GMT

It seem they would offer a choice, just an option no matter if most users actually use this or that. It is not a bad offer to android world, we must agree with people have select android OS because of free world it would offer and next update may say you are able to select to upgrade directly from an android release or wait until SE prepare its own UI. If so most of people here would stop to complain about.

Re: Uncustomized Android 2.2

Mon, 27 Sep 2010 18:50:16 GMT

It is unconscienable that I bought this phone (X10) on the word of the salesman, but I sincerely thought an OS upgrade would be a few minutes work for the pros at SONY. Why does it seem easier to pull teeth than to get the promised experience from my phone????????????

Re: Uncustomized Android 2.2

Tue, 28 Sep 2010 08:27:20 GMT

SierraTango wrote:

If that's the case then why in the name of all that's holy did Google decide on the current (very poor!) mechanism for updates, as is: Google does updates, passes to phone makers; phone makers "add value"* = much delay; phone maker passed "upgraded" version of the update to the teleco's, who then add their "value" = much more delay; finally Joe/Jane Public get's their hands on the shiny new update - or at least what's left after the phone makers and teleco's have fiddled with it.

With my limited knowledge, a nicer way would be:

a. Google issues an update, and sends it to the phone makers;

b. Phone makers check their hardware specifics (drivers!) still work, if not issue new ones;

c. Google update, plus new drivers if needed, are pushed out via phone makers update service - in our case SUS;

d. Teleco specific update service (over-the-air OTA) update revokes features that teleco ban's - like tethering. Add the "value add" stuff they seem to like;

e. Phones that refuse the OTA within a reasonable timeframe are banned from use until updated.

Advantages of this way are that the push out cycles can be a lot shorter - especially in the case of security patches. Since those may not be hardware specific, nor effect the teleco in any way, they could be fast-tracked onto the devices. On the other hand, the current system makes that very difficult.

Google screwed up big-time imho - instead of following the modular Linux distro model, they're still stuck in the last century - seeing the phone as a monolithically updateable device. Current scheme is like saying that if you update your PC to Windows 7 then you also need to move to Office 2010. Dumb!

Re: Uncustomized Android 2.2

Tue, 28 Sep 2010 08:39:31 GMT

I don't use Timescape - while it's unarguably very pretty, I find it slow to use and to be honest, since I don't use Farcebook or Spotify it's really only tracking SMS and Twitter. And Twidroyd does a better job of being a Twitter client.

Your point about the Camera drivers (etc?) is well-made though - that's a major hold-point about having a vanilla 2.2.

Problem is that - like others - I'm now doubting whether SonyE can deliver what they're promising, when they're promising it. And like most others, I too regard FroYo (2.2) as a requirement - maybe not this year, but certainly next. No, I'm not looking for bragging rights with other 'droid owners - let's be honest, I wouldn't have bought an X10 if that was the case. Instead, again like others, I've got a desire to access websites using Flash, there's some software that - by next year at least - will be 2.2 only, and you're surely not telling me that you wouldn't like the "spectacular" increase in app speed that Google claim for that update? I certainly would!

So yes, if SonyE were to offer a "generic 2.2 + drivers" option then I think I'd be interested. Okay, I'd be sorry to lose some of the polish of the SonyE 'added value' software, but - as pointed out - there's maybe options out there on the Google MarketPlace that would suit better. Unfortunately that'll remain an unfulfilled wish, because it's becoming more obvious that SonyE's focus is on delivering the 2.1 update and then moving onto the next Xperia device - I'm guessing this Xperia/PSP crossover. I'd love SonyE to prove that last statement wrong, and continue to support the X10's, but I just can't see it - more's the pity because, and I've said this repeatedly, I'm convinced that the X10 is a good piece of hardware, and could be amongst the class-leaders if paired with efficient, stable and modern software.