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About the camera

Daloch — Sun, 11 Nov 2012 19:16:10 GMT

I just would like to know if someone has the same problem than me.

Sony talks a lot about the 13Mpx Exmor R camera in this phone, but I realize that the pictures that I take, even outside in a sunny day, has very very low quality.

I don't understand how a 13Mpx camera only gives a 3Mb picture (other phones with only 5Mpx camera, gives better quality, for example my old iphone 4). My pictures on the Xperia T has very low quality (even shooting at 13Mpx), a lot of noise and a very poor resolution. Hasn't the pictures a lot of JPG compression???

I wonder if it's just me or anybody else has the same problem.

I tried to search on the phone some option to increase the quality, but I am unable to find it.

Is there any patch from Sony to fix this problem?. I won't believe that this camera only may offer this poor pictures.

Thx.

Re: About the camera

alvmuoz — Sun, 11 Nov 2012 19:59:55 GMT

I agree that the camera is worse than I expected, I hope Sony improves it in a next software update.

BTW in some pictures there are parts which are not focused even when I choose multiple point focus, do you think it's better to set single point focus?

And for the light measurement, is it better to choose center or average?

Re: About the camera

Uliwooly — Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:03:34 GMT

post some of your pictures here. also which settings are you using?

Re: About the camera

Daloch — Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:37:43 GMT

I made pictures with all the possible combinations.

Tried even to set all the pictures with 100iso.

I agree about the focus problems, even choosing multi point focus... the pictues are still not clear.

Firsteable I thought that the CMOS was too small for 13Mpx, but using 10Mpx is still the same.

This makes me think that, from 10Mpx, it decreases to 2Mpx... what about an 8Mpx and 5Mpx?... then you still can get good quality.

Yes, I hope they will fix it in the next update, and by the way, they also can fix the slow focus when you record a video.

Re: About the camera

Uliwooly — Sun, 11 Nov 2012 20:46:28 GMT

post your pictures here

Re: About the camera

Samuel1 — Mon, 12 Nov 2012 09:01:14 GMT

How convenient, I just came back from a holiday in Spain where I used my Xperia T as point-and-shoot camera. All of them unedited and in 10mp to get 16:9 format. Compare them to your pictures and post some yourself and we will take a look!

This one is taken in the dark, using flash:

And here are two pictures taken without flash

Re: About the camera

Uliwooly — Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:56:59 GMT

I will, I'll post both with the Xperia S and TL, and perhaps my Arc too

Re: About the camera

Wustpisk — Mon, 12 Nov 2012 22:38:43 GMT

Same with me - the quality is really shockingly poor, but then I have come from the Nokia N8 which cannot be beaten so anything else really has to be top notch in order to pass muster. Believe me, I have taken pictures in all lighting conditions and of all types of subject with this new machine, but I am very disappointed so far. I would upload a couple of examples here, but I am still trying to work out how to transfer the pictures to my laptop

Re: About the camera

Samuel1 — Tue, 13 Nov 2012 07:28:15 GMT

Well, there are a few options. USB-cable, transfer via bluetooth, e-mail them to your webmail, use an app such as Airdroid etc

Re: About the camera

Daloch — Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:00:03 GMT

For what I see, on your pictures, you have the same problem than the rest... poor sharpness, huge amout of noise (look at the water or the clouds).

The image, when you see the whole picture on the screen, is very poor.

I insist on the fact that pictures taken with my "old" iphone 4, looks way better than the ones taken with my Xperia. Not understanding how is it possible that a picture taken with a 5Mpx camera it's bigger than one taken with a 13Mpx camera. I think that the pictures are too compressed on the Xperia. It has wonderful colours, and the camera is very fast, but when it comes to the resolution, sharpness and noise, it is really bad, nomatter how you shoot.

Knowing that it's not the same, I have a Finepix HS20. This is a 16Mpx camera. The pictures are up to 7~8Mb each. Now, with this camera, I take pictures of 2,5 or 3Mb (as I said, smaller than lots of my iphone 4 camera). It may be the compression algorism for the JPG: What I am sure is that this camera can do better pictures, but for now, I am very very dissapointed with it.

Here goes some samples.

This are a little bit "extreme" pictures. Everybody knows that in a sunny day, with no clouds, in a perfect place with no pollution, all the pictures looks MORELESS well. Even in a perfect day, the you can see the noise on the blue of the sky, or in the contrast zones.

Re: About the camera

xiDarkchitoix — Fri, 16 Nov 2012 13:06:03 GMT

I think the problem is the compression. Can we avoid that compression? All the photos (even 13 MPX ones) are about 3 MB of size...

Re: About the camera

Johan — Tue, 20 Nov 2012 08:07:52 GMT

I'm sorry to hear, but looking at these example pictures that both you and Samuel have uploaded I would say that they are OK and less light will give you more noise, but there is of course always room for improvement and further development. I wouldn't say that these picture are bad, but I guess that also depends on with which technology you're comparing with.

All feedback is appreciated, so thank you for sharing your thoughts about this I will pass this on.

Re: About the camera

Daloch — Tue, 20 Nov 2012 09:28:03 GMT

It is obvious that less light means more noise, this is something that everybody knows.

And of course, it is obvious that you cannot compare the pictures taken with a phone camera with a small cmos, with a 1/2" reflex camera cmos. With old phones, no 13Mpx, no Exmor RS, no Sony lenses... etc, you get better pictures (iphone, Nokia...). This is just ridicilous.

What I am trying to say is that nomatter what conditions you will shoot, you will get noise. And lots of it. Sunny day, cloudy day, night... If you look at them in the same phone (not maximizing the pictures), it is obvious that you will see them well. If I download the pictures to my computer and I see them, then, all you see is a bad bad picture.

As I see things, there is a main issue with this camera

The JPG compression is reallly bad (it has to be PERFECT) if you take a 13Mpx picture and the compression makes a 2Mb picture. There is no need to make that huge compression, because this is a very small cmos, the more compression you do, the worst pictures you'll get. What's the meaning of it?... it is just stupid.

Why don't you try to make a better algorism, so the pictures will not look that bad???... or make it easier... just don't compress the pictures that much.

I always said that the colour/contrast of this camera is amazing. The only problem comes with the noise (and due to the noise, the sharpness), and this is something that can be fixed easily, very very easily by some update.

This phone is perfectly able to work with 5 or 6Mb pictures... this is more than double size.

As I said before, search for other forums on internet... lots of people complains about the same than I do. Too much compression, too much noise, awful pictures... etc. It is not just me. With this phone, this should not happen.

Sony should take seriously the complains about this problem, because, same as I do, LOTS of people gives to the camera a very important thing.

You know what?, I was used to, sometimes, do not take my compact camera when I went out with my family, just my iphone 4 camera was enough for me. This is something I don't dare to do with this phone.

Come on!... this camera can do much better, and you know it. I won't believe that all this camera can do, are this pictures. It is impossible to believe.

Re: About the camera

Wustpisk — Tue, 20 Nov 2012 10:27:45 GMT

Amen to that. The camera is one of the main reasons why I went for this phone as the reviews were invariably good. If there had been a readily-available Nokia running on Symbian (808 pureview) then I would have gone for that like a shot as it is not only the camera that I have issues with, but unfortunately it is not available on contract in the UK.

There are many people who say how good the camera is, but they are obviously not used to having used superior technology in the past and are satisfied with something that is second-rate. After a steep learing curve my knowledge of the Android system and this phone is slowly crystallising and, having waded through all the rubbish, I have realised that it is not what it is cracked up to be. This, coupled with the aforementioned camera issues, has made my experience so far extremely disappointing. I just take my old N8 with me now for photography purposes, also writing e-mails, data input, etc, is so much easier using the Nokia.

Re: About the camera

Daloch — Tue, 20 Nov 2012 13:49:02 GMT

Here goes some samples of the pictures that I did today.. I shoot at 10Mpx (16:9)... all the pictures that I post here, are very low iso (this means it should be almost 0 noise) and with a high shooter speed (wich it always happens when there is LOTS of light). There are some that are inside the Cathedral, BUT with sunlight.

With this settings, the pictures should be perfectly sharp, and with very few or almost nothing of noise... (this is what it should be).

Now, download the pictures and maximize them at 100%... WHO is the one to tell me that the pictures are sharp?... for God's sake, there is noise even in the blue of the sky!!!!

Johan, DO NOT tell me that this is how the pictures has to look, because then, this camera has a HUGE problem.

I guarantee you 100% that this pictures taken with my wife's iphone 3GS (wich it's 3,5Mpx camera), looks MUCH better!!!!.

Today I took 119 pictures... not even a 10% looks moreless well. The rest, are as you can see in the examples here.

You know, could post LOTS of pictures like the ones I posted here, but they are bigger than 2Mb, so it is impossible...

Amazing that all the 10Mpx pictures that I took today are under 3Mb... Too much compression makes the pictures looks like this.

Definetely, I will NOT use this camera. It's a pitty, because you say it's an amazing camera, when the truth it's that is the WORST camera I have even seen in a phone.

I insist... read other posts, and you will see that ALL the complains comes from the compression and the terrible quality.

Sorry, I have to post these pictures in all the forums where I write (not few in Spain), so the people can see.

Re: About the camera

elotroyo — Tue, 20 Nov 2012 18:22:26 GMT

I have the same issue.

Re: About the camera

Uliwooly — Tue, 20 Nov 2012 18:39:05 GMT

cool pix where in Spain is this?

Re: About the camera

Daloch — Tue, 20 Nov 2012 19:22:18 GMT

Sorry man, you and me are not the only ones... there are LOTS like us.

Post some of your pictures. The most we post, the better... MAYBE then Sony will do something.

Re: About the camera

Daloch — Tue, 20 Nov 2012 19:26:23 GMT

Uliwooly, this is in Barcelona.

I wish I this camera would do something better than this terrible pictures, so you could see better.

Next time I will go out to take pictures, I will take with me my old iPhone 4 to make a comparasion, so then, you will see well.

I am sorry for this 10Mpx ugly pictures. It is not my fault, but still...

Re: About the camera

elotroyo — Tue, 20 Nov 2012 19:52:21 GMT