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SI numbers, release dates, PDK, Approvals Jelly Bean To Sony Moderators & Community Manager(s)

Uliwooly — Wed, 11 Jul 2012 23:29:57 GMT

To Sony Moderators and Community Manager(s)

There are multiple threads and posts with the same questions and this will NOT going to stop until Sony release a full official statement on this,

What does "We will however, continue to support all these products with firmware maintenance releases"? will this fix the bugs?
Who is in charge of approving the SIM Free updates per country?
Who approve last Sony or a Carrier in the case that it's locked to a carrier?
Did Sony received a Jelly Bean PDK?
Will Sony fulfill or break the "AT LEAST" 18months software updates commitment/agreement at Google I/O 2011?
How come the 2012 Xperias with the same or lower hardware specs, compared to the 2011 Xperias, run ICS smooth w/o all the 2011 lag/crashing issues?
On the same subject as 5. Is sony going to fix all this issues and release an update to the 2011 Xperias w/o bugs?
On the subject as 4. Will the Xperia Arc, Play, Neo and Pro will no longer be supported at the end of August? as it will be 18months since they were released
Will the Current Xperia S be overclocked like the Xperia SL as this "new" xperia S will have the same hardware as the current Xperia S just overclocked CPU?
Will Sony improve the Camera/Picture/Video quality? is this a hardware or software limitation? there are some users experiencing focus issues with the Xperia S, is this a hardware issue that must be recalled?

Yes, it might be Complex, yes it might be hard to answer but if Sony Developer were able to post a thread on how we get an update starting from the source code to the final product (just before approvals) I think this can be done, it'll be like a second part to From Source Code to upgrade release.

Also if you have another question feel free to post it and I'll add it to this top of this thread, try to make general questions not specific (i.e. when is my SI number will be approved/posted/etc, instead something like, who can we contact to find out if our carrier it's going to release or not the update?)

Re: To Sony Moderators & Community Manager(s) SI number, release dates, approval

Uliwooly — Thu, 12 Jul 2012 00:41:28 GMT

Side Notes:

From Source code release to software upgrade

http://developer.sonymobile.com/wp/2011/12/07/ice-cream-sandwich-from-source-code-release-to-software-upgrade/

Google I/O 2012 PDK, the idea is for OEMs to get this weeks/months before any new update, thus reducing the amount of time it will take them, OEMs, from source code release to software upgrade.

http://www.androidauthority.com/the-android-pdk-and-how-google-can-further-reduce-the-fragmentation-issue-98286/

http://www.droid-life.com/2012/06/29/android-pdk-could-help-manufacturers-update-devices-faster-than-ever/

https://developers.google.com/events/io/

Jelly Bean? Sony agreed to 18months updates after the release day, will Sony keep this promise?

http://talk.sonymobile.com/message/223571#223571

Why new 2012 Xperias with same or lower hardware espects as the 2011 Xperias can run ICS smooth w/o all the 2011 Xperia issues. Do we need more low end phones?

http://talk.sonymobile.com/message/216930#216930

2010 Mid and Low end Xperias Fiasco

The REAL REASON why the X8, x10 mini/pro, w8 won't get an update (2.2 or 2.3)? will the 2011 Xperias have the same fate?

http://talk.sonymobile.com/message/121814

Re: To Sony Moderators & Community Manager(s) SI number, release dates, approval

shadab27 — Thu, 12 Jul 2012 01:22:42 GMT

hi uliwooly,

Thanks for instant reply, what I wanna know is "when is Android 4.1 jelly bean gonna be updated to xperia mini st15i".

Re: To Sony Moderators & Community Manager(s) SI number, release dates, approval

Uliwooly — Thu, 12 Jul 2012 01:28:47 GMT

we all want to know Sony's jelly bean plans, so far not only Sony but other OEM haven't said anything about Jelly Bean update plans. did you checked the other link

Jelly Bean

http://talk.sonymobile.com/message/243687#243687

it seems that there's another issue, I'm not supposed to post this anymore or at least that's a debate

my question is why? I've being accused of Spamming, personal attack

Jelly Bean

http://talk.sonymobile.com/message/243687#243687

We are NOT ignorant

I think Aimee forgot that the android update alliance is to address fragmentation not just minor updates or patches

http://talk.sonymobile.com/message/247709#247709

Aimee

1,417 posts since

Sep 20, 2010

7. Jul 16, 2012 11:57 AM (in response to uliwooly)

Re: Are we going to have the jeely bean update ?

Hi,

18 months of updates does not necessarily refer to Android version updates. This also includes performance enhancing updates on the Android version the handset is already running on.

Our developers will test the handsets on the new versions of Android which Google release and confirm whether the user experience is stable enough to provide an update.

Until we have confirmation regarding this, we would be unable to confirm which units will be able to run this version.

Just like she did before

http://talk.sonymobile.com/message/123707#123707

Aimee

1,417 posts since

Sep 20, 2010

1. Nov 8, 2011 10:47 AM (in response to taufikyoungest)

Re: take a look n think again...bout x8 android 2.1!!!!

As the hardware of the X8 handset does not meet Google's requirements for the higher Android OS versions, unfortunately it would not be possible for us to update this model.

http://talk.sonymobile.com/message/121814#121814

you said that

Aimee

1,417 posts since

Sep 20, 2010

8. Nov 16, 2011 5:34 AM (in response to uliwooly-wooly)

Re: The real reason X8, x10 mini/pro, w8 won't get an update?

The official statement does mention the RAM but it also mentions the following reason:

The upgrade of Xperia^TM X10 also was made possible due to that we had a code base that mostly could be reused. For the mini’s, who have a different user interface, this possibility did not exist.

I am only able to provide you with the same information I have been provided with myself.

BUT the fact is that Android doesn't have a minimum hardware requirement. I've been waiting for you or someone from Sony to reply to that thread and still no answer.

first of all

it is NOT a personal attack, I'm pointing out FACTS

second those aren't logical fallacies, neither Ad hominem, nor bandwagoning, nor non-sequitur, etc, those are facts.

how can it be a spam if?

1) if a sony moderator gives the same answer to a user asking about Jelly Bean, I should be able to post the same answer pointing out facts, since rules apply to ALL.

2) if the thread it's deleted then I agree that will stop sony moderators to post the same answer and myself of posting the same answer.

Re: To Sony Moderators & Community Manager(s) SI number, release dates, approval

Thu, 12 Jul 2012 01:53:20 GMT

Re: To Sony Moderators & Community Manager(s) SI number, release dates, approval

MarlonUk1 — Thu, 12 Jul 2012 03:10:25 GMT

Transparency \m/

Re: To Sony Moderators & Community Manager(s) SI number, release dates, approval

niko_58 — Thu, 12 Jul 2012 03:30:26 GMT

even i didn't get ICS.

Re: To Sony Moderators & Community Manager(s) SI number, release dates, approval

Thu, 12 Jul 2012 03:43:35 GMT

i've have been waiting like 6 weeks for ics on my xmp, i'm tied up with the carrier o2 uk, and this afternoon finally decided to do it manually by flashing the generic ics firmware and selecting english uk in setup to ensure kept the qwerty keyboard, used flashtool worked a charm and even got rid of all those useless carrier apps that come preinstalled. I don't understand why sony don't allow you to do this using pc companion instead of having to wait for the carriers to give the go ahead, to be honest i think sony are just scape-goating the carriers for their own mistakes. The generic one works better anyway as it has less useless apps on install and gives more control on changing the keyboard and language settings.

Re: To Sony Moderators & Community Manager(s) SI number, release dates, approval

FrontierGate — Thu, 12 Jul 2012 03:56:53 GMT

Read this article:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/254304/the_android_update_trap.html

Re: To Sony Moderators & Community Manager(s) SI number, release dates, approval

Uliwooly — Thu, 12 Jul 2012 04:15:54 GMT

great article but seems a bit bias, if OEM wouldn't customize so much Android updates will come faster as they only have to optimize a small update (i.e. 4.0.1 > 4.0.2 > 4.0.3 > 4.0.4) and offer the launchers, apps etc on the market.

Re: To Sony Moderators & Community Manager(s) SI number, release dates, approval

MarlonUk1 — Thu, 12 Jul 2012 05:25:05 GMT

added info.

http://developer.sonymobile.com/wp/2011/12/07/ice-cream-sandwich-from-source-code-release-to-software-upgrade/

http://www.extremetech.com/computing/108263-why-oems-need-months-to-deliver-android-updates-to-your-phone

Re: To Sony Moderators & Community Manager(s) SI number, release dates, approval

Uliwooly — Thu, 12 Jul 2012 07:53:45 GMT

great links BUT that's no longer up to date, oh snap!!! yeah I/O 2012 Google announced PDK

http://www.androidauthority.com/the-android-pdk-and-how-google-can-further-reduce-the-fragmentation-issue-98286/

http://www.droid-life.com/2012/06/29/android-pdk-could-help-manufacturers-update-devices-faster-than-ever/

https://developers.google.com/events/io/

Re: To Sony Moderators & Community Manager(s) SI number, release dates, approval

MarlonUk1 — Thu, 12 Jul 2012 07:57:51 GMT

that leaves sony a little bit less room for excuses,isn't?

Re: To Sony Moderators & Community Manager(s) SI number, release dates, approval

Uliwooly — Thu, 12 Jul 2012 08:00:36 GMT

Indeed, and also I'll add this to this thread

Do we need more low end phones? This phones running a smooth ICS with lower specs than 2011 Xperias!!!!

http://talk.sonymobile.com/message/216930#216930

Re: To Sony Moderators & Community Manager(s) SI number, release dates, approval

SignedAdam — Thu, 12 Jul 2012 09:47:09 GMT

As for the 18months software updates commitment/agreement, Will the Ray be getting a jelly bean update!

Re: To Sony Moderators & Community Manager(s) SI number, release dates, approval

ShinOrochiX — Thu, 12 Jul 2012 12:34:14 GMT

Sony hasn't said anything yet, so we don't know.

Re: SI numbers, release dates, PDK, Approvals Jelly Bean To Sony Moderators & Community Manager(s)

michaeldadams — Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:10:08 GMT

just wish we could get a date for the update they did say by then end of june its getting silly now

Re: SI numbers, release dates, PDK, Approvals Jelly Bean To Sony Moderators & Community Manager(s)

Arnab — Thu, 12 Jul 2012 17:17:36 GMT

Just wanna say that, PREVENTION is better than CURE. Dear SONY, please release STABLE updates, even if it is a MONTH or TWO MONTHS late. Rather than releasing buggy updates which haunts the users and you for much more loss of revenue and reputation.

My two cents o the topic.

Owner of Xperia U. Hoping for a stable ICS this August.

Arnab.

Re: SI numbers, release dates, PDK, Approvals Jelly Bean To Sony Moderators & Community Manager(s)

Uliwooly — Fri, 13 Jul 2012 20:35:28 GMT

Actually that's what they did, the updates were supposed to be released May but Sony pushed them back a whole month

Re: SI numbers, release dates, PDK, Approvals Jelly Bean To Sony Moderators & Community Manager(s)

Uliwooly — Fri, 13 Jul 2012 20:36:03 GMT

On the same subject as 5. Is sony going to fix all this issues and release an update to the 2011 Xperias w/o bugs?

On the subject as 4. Will the Xperia Arc, Play, Neo and Pro will no longer be supported at the end of August? as it will be 18months since they were released ?

Will the Current Xperia S be overclocked like the Xperia SL as this "new" xperia S will have the same hardware as the current Xperia S just overclocked CPU?